tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post4387443150345238479..comments2023-05-16T12:26:09.102+01:00Comments on The Historical House: Advice for Women in German, French Cities & EdinburghMrs McLeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-76824347731190170172016-01-15T00:10:58.792+00:002016-01-15T00:10:58.792+00:00I'm fascinated by the beast that is the Bogan/...I'm fascinated by the beast that is the Bogan/Westie.<br /><br />There are just different sorts of bogans. What you're describing is the garden-variety bogan (or westie), but there are also Cashed-Up Bogans, Aspiring Bogans, and Full-On Criminal Bogans.<br /><br />The Scottish Neds/drunks are bogans, and they are who I was referring to. I don't think the Cologne migrants could be called bogans since they weren't drunk (not that that makes them any better), but there is an element of boganity to the idea that women are chattels. <br /><br />JuliaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-60492491767611567412016-01-08T01:33:12.714+00:002016-01-08T01:33:12.714+00:00Why Julia, I wouldn't have thought Amish girls...Why Julia, I wouldn't have thought Amish girls were Bogans at all. Oh, the Cologne attackers, right... ;)<br /><br />Seriously though, has the term 'bogan' broadened in its use? I thought it referred to a specific subculture of Holdens & Fords, meat pies, black singlets & jeans, and heavy metal. Certainly, that applies to the minority in the west of my city that are bogan. Is it now a term for anyone with bad behaviour?<br /><br />I certainly hope you don't have large numbers of the kind of fellas that mobbed the Cologne New Years partygoers...<br /><br />SB.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-59325072491773979922016-01-07T23:41:02.212+00:002016-01-07T23:41:02.212+00:00Bogans. Bogans everywhere.
JuliaBogans. Bogans everywhere.<br /><br />JuliaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-28285708795579823302016-01-07T13:31:02.136+00:002016-01-07T13:31:02.136+00:00Oh, a little caveat - Fisk's book is heavy (13...Oh, a little caveat - Fisk's book is heavy (1300 pages) and fairly bleak (he is reporting decades of war zone conflicts), but peppered with interesting anecdotes. He really tries to convey the best about most of the people he interviews, but it didn't leave me impressed by Islam. Have something cheerful to do afterwards perhaps :)<br />SB.<br /><br />P.S. Just came across a Channel 4 doco on a group of Amish teens taken for 4 x 1 week stays in UK with British teens to see how the other half lives. Not sure if it was staged at all (tho seemed fairly genuine), but was very impressed by the 2 Amish girls, who defended their faith pretty well given obvious deficiencies in their scientific education. Rather awful doco title of 'Amish: World's Squarest Teenagers'. Thought you might be interested... <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-89074082979265226712016-01-07T09:27:36.568+00:002016-01-07T09:27:36.568+00:00No, but it sounds very interesting, so I will have...No, but it sounds very interesting, so I will have a look for it. <br /><br />There was nothing the mayor could do after the fact about the mob violence on New Year's Eve, so any advice about it would have been pointless. Obviously no woman could be blamed for the "crime" of being young, female and arriving in Cologne. Mrs McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-51167518576992120312016-01-06T13:31:30.517+00:002016-01-06T13:31:30.517+00:00The Cologne mayor's remarks may seem prudent, ...The Cologne mayor's remarks may seem prudent, but would not have helped any of the women assaulted on New Years, as it just does not sound like it would have been possible to:<br /><br />- keep arms length from a crowd of dozens that parted just enough to let the women through while groping them as they went<br />- staying in your own group, which assumes you are in a group, and again the Cologne women were unlikely to have a posse as big as that crowd<br />- and asking bystanders for help won't help you when the bystanders are the problem, or any good bystanders are massively out numbered by the offenders.<br /><br />So I can see how feminists would see it is victim blaming. That said, Frau Reker's remarks aren't bad, just secondary to the real issue - who are the offenders and what can be done to change their attitudes & behaviour?<br /><br />Have you read English journalist Robert Fisk's book 'The Great War for Civilisation'? He covers his experience reporting the Middle East for decades. An implicit subcurrent is how difficult it is to change the cultural patterns of behaviour seen as barbaric by Westerners. <br /><br />It could take centuries, and I don't think any culture should be expected to tolerate a minority subculture violently aggressive against the host culture while that education takes place. It needs to be done in the culture where the problem exists. Hard pioneering hazardous work...<br /><br />SB.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com