tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post7927524503471681416..comments2023-05-16T12:26:09.102+01:00Comments on The Historical House: Voris Is a Decent Old Bean ReallyMrs McLeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-22180032769834723122016-04-27T21:01:31.286+01:002016-04-27T21:01:31.286+01:00Journalists don't have the luxury of "bei...Journalists don't have the luxury of "being nice." It's not a very manly attribute, either. I hope he's gentle with children and polite to women and generally kind to both, but when it comes to men of power.... Well, to afflict the comfortable and to comfort the afflicted is a journo's job.Mrs McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-42012750621580328692016-04-25T21:58:07.744+01:002016-04-25T21:58:07.744+01:00He doesn't sound a very nice person.He doesn't sound a very nice person. dxthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10029278832726942850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-11492892539908163752016-04-24T15:08:09.192+01:002016-04-24T15:08:09.192+01:00Aaah, that corrects my poor understanding then! Th...Aaah, that corrects my poor understanding then! Thanks Mrs Mac!<br /><br />SB.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-51895228631528930432016-04-23T20:13:20.827+01:002016-04-23T20:13:20.827+01:00Ah, the Cardinal O'Brien situation is a little...Ah, the Cardinal O'Brien situation is a little more complicated than that: it has been alleged that he made advances to priests and even (it is alleged) a seminarian. When he made his confession it certainly sounded like his misconduct continued after he was a bishop and even after he was made a cardinal. I hope that is not true, but that's what he made it sound like. But actually he was retiring in a few months anyway.All that happened (from a career point of view) is that he didn't go to the Conclave, he didn't get his big retirement/birthday party, and he didn't get to retire to a small town in Scotland. Mrs McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-12669116481828708372016-04-23T10:51:30.955+01:002016-04-23T10:51:30.955+01:00Yeh, I kinda hope now the Archdiocese of New York ...Yeh, I kinda hope now the Archdiocese of New York has denied the MV allegation (that they were going to smear him to discredit his attacks on shonky bishops), that MV releases his evidence to prove the NY Archdiocese were going to smear him. <br /><br />Not out of pettiness, but because if MV is correct, then staff and/or volunteers in the archdiocesan HQ were willing to engage in behaviour that should see them summarily fired.<br /><br />We don't need church staff (if MV is correct) behaving in such immoral and borderline illegal ways (illegal, cos it is dancing close to being blackmail of MV to back off his attacks on bishops).<br /><br />It is an interesting comparison between the Voris case and Cardinal O'Brien though, as (please correct if I am wrong on this) O'Brien was alleged to have had homosexual liasons with men in the past, but like Voris he had moved on from such behaviour and condemned gay marriage. Yet O'Brien was forced to retire, whereas no-one seems to be saying Voris should resign (and I don't think Voris should - sins confessed and all that).<br /><br />Southern Bloke.<br />P.S. I'm assuming here that *if* Voris is correct and the archdiocese were going to smear him, that the archdiocese did not get such info from Voris' confessions! That would be a massive breach and I believe automatic excommunication for anyone involved. I assume that if true, the smear info would have come from past lovers or people who knew MV when he was openly in those relationships. But the burden really lies on the archdiocese to make clear that confessional sanctity has not been violated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-72780930164747802692016-04-23T08:58:31.127+01:002016-04-23T08:58:31.127+01:00No, it's worse that that. The allegation is th...No, it's worse that that. The allegation is that people were about to release details of MV's past sins to the public.Mrs McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-57990601360508031422016-04-23T00:15:25.024+01:002016-04-23T00:15:25.024+01:00I will confess that I did not read your whole or t...I will confess that I did not read your whole or the whole link (I have to go to work really soon), and I'll also confess that I don't really keep up with many Catholic bloggers because I find it so dispiriting.<br /><br />But if it is true that people have been demanding a full public confession of Voris' past sins, I am seriously angry. Seriously.<br /><br />He confessed it to a priest. He's not a hypocrite if he's denouncing sins that he used to commit, especially if he's no longer committing them. People need to get real and shut up.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03992516879346846271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-86120794841527113192016-04-22T19:13:05.904+01:002016-04-22T19:13:05.904+01:00Thank you, Clio. I agree absolutely. The denial of...Thank you, Clio. I agree absolutely. The denial of sexual impulse is, as a matter of fact, very human. I don't know if other animals bother to deny theirs for prudential reasons or whatever, but chastity strikes me as very human. Mrs McLeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18095035617334068201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3524471174570445036.post-90390420291638870982016-04-22T16:34:03.531+01:002016-04-22T16:34:03.531+01:00The complaint I've heard most often from same-...The complaint I've heard most often from same-sex attracted people who favor same-sex marriage, and their supporters, is that it's hard to know that one will *never* have a chance to express sexual love licitly. Many add that gay people are the only group in this unfortunate situation.<br /><br />I can certainly see the force of this, but I wish more people of whatever views would realise and acknowledge that there are numerous physically or mentally handicapped people who who cannot engage in sexual relations licitly or at all, either through absolute incapacity or because they are too vulnerable. Having a close relative with a severe mental illness, this is much on my mind, and I get very angry when I hear people suggest that the denial of the sexual impulse makes one less than human somehow, or is a reason for pity or contempt. <br /><br />Alias ClioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com